tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post8840581198343203019..comments2024-03-28T04:41:30.440-04:00Comments on DISCOURSE AND DRAGONS: 5e: Dump/AddKiltedyaksmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-35227869592554514152012-06-06T19:58:25.193-04:002012-06-06T19:58:25.193-04:00I agree with most of what you have on the list. I...I agree with most of what you have on the list. I started with D&D at the age of ten in 1979 with the Holmes blue box basic set, from there I moved on to AD&D and the various other basic sets. I have played every version of D&D since then. In fact, I own at least the core rule books from every version of AD&D/D&D and still own my Holmes blue box set, the Erol Otis sets, RedDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09141302937676387809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-28521781527348604462012-05-30T11:52:03.657-04:002012-05-30T11:52:03.657-04:00It's important in designing a class to make su...It's important in designing a class to make sure that the rules-defined abilities aren't so powerful that they discourage players from improvisation. That is, if a mage can come up with five other creative things to do during his combat round but none of them are as effective as a casting an inexhaustible magic missile, then there's a penalty to the creativity in terms of the Edward Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722813928118912296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-38838039703283648472012-05-30T10:09:40.061-04:002012-05-30T10:09:40.061-04:00I agree with your list, but in any case I hate WOT...I agree with your list, but in any case I hate WOTC and won't give them any money under any circumstances whatsoever. I hated Magic: the Gathering, and I hated both WOTC editions of D&D. I hated those things so much that I refuse to give WOTC one thin dime, even for the 1st edition reprints which would be nice to have. I don't need a new edition of D&D, and I wouldn't take TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-5589182789065578982012-05-28T23:06:31.275-04:002012-05-28T23:06:31.275-04:00early playtests -> earlier playtestsearly playtests -> earlier playtestscr0mhttp://redvan.wikidot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-17284116600252147982012-05-28T23:05:39.995-04:002012-05-28T23:05:39.995-04:00I wouldn't rush to judgment on 5e. It's st...I wouldn't rush to judgment on 5e. It's still relatively early in the playtest (the early playtests notwithstanding). We don't know what they're looking at right now and what they're saving to look at later.<br /><br />It does seem as though resource management isn't a big part of 5e right now, what with the unlimited light spells, nearly unlimited healing and unlimited cr0mhttp://redvan.wikidot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-71203585983012879842012-05-28T13:01:59.148-04:002012-05-28T13:01:59.148-04:00I like that. "Dart User" should be a new...I like that. "Dart User" should be a new class.Dirk Swordmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837344135304307437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-62357831975803809242012-05-28T12:36:23.528-04:002012-05-28T12:36:23.528-04:00@ jasper
My last few games using pre 81 rules have...@ jasper<br />My last few games using pre 81 rules have been using the newer prepublished modules such as borrow maze and stonehell. Plus i kickstarted with dwimmermount. I can not control which rooms my players go in, but no matter combat will be part of the game. It is built into the game that some time my players will fight. Not every group of orcs and goblins are going to be your buddy. So toAdrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600681495896614575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-38279864527215597282012-05-28T08:33:28.873-04:002012-05-28T08:33:28.873-04:00I have a full page of ideas for players that run M...I have a full page of ideas for players that run MUs in my game after they cast spells.<br /><br />Saying there is nothing to do after you cast is bullshit and lazy role-playing.<br /><br />I simply reject that point of view as a basis for discussion of the topic.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-5039551653754287092012-05-28T08:32:07.688-04:002012-05-28T08:32:07.688-04:00@Adrian
Saying that a wizard throws darts 99% of ...@Adrian<br /><br />Saying that a wizard throws darts 99% of the time presumes that he is in combat 100% of the time. Now, I know that wasn't what you meant, but I want to make a point. Having an awesome offensive thing to do every round is only important if combat is the point of the game (like WoW or Diablo) rather than one method of achieving a goal.<br /><br />Also, I've always thoughtNecropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-1618611095296169852012-05-28T08:31:19.301-04:002012-05-28T08:31:19.301-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Necropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-36985963881274725162012-05-28T08:27:27.978-04:002012-05-28T08:27:27.978-04:00One of the things that in consistent across all th...One of the things that in consistent across all the versions of dnd is that magic is treated like technology (always works, never missfires, not mystical). However, at-will magic really rubs it in my face the wrong way. Magic in dnd shouldnt be like the energizer bunny, rather it should be like magic in the dccrpg. That's why I don't like at-will magic. Also, they are using magic to Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-48563205806572205702012-05-28T07:40:39.996-04:002012-05-28T07:40:39.996-04:00Adrian, xredjayx:
“As far as wizards. Ya sleep is...Adrian, xredjayx:<br /><br />“As far as wizards. Ya sleep is awesome, a awesome spell I can cast once per day. What do I do the other 99 percent of the time as a wizard.”<br /><br />“Ok, the magic-user (I've always preferred mage) casts sleep in the first round, what does he get to do the entire rest of the gaming session before the next 8 hour rest? Stand in the back throwing darts. Zzz.”<brJasper Polanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14304076684060757294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-21463022575249070722012-05-28T04:30:11.404-04:002012-05-28T04:30:11.404-04:00First, I didn't come into the playtest or even...First, I didn't come into the playtest or even my excursions into the older editions with 4e sensibilities. I was born and bred on 2nd, started playing in '93. So you can't pin that one on me - I was already waiting for someone to chime in with that as I've seen it used many times over. I've gone into all the editions with an open mind and I fully understand the nuances of A New Morning Anarchist Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844863594381035445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-74198092801428107222012-05-28T03:08:27.935-04:002012-05-28T03:08:27.935-04:00Great list. I agree with most of your points, exce...Great list. I agree with most of your points, except maybe Backgrounds and Themes, and the DC mechanics.<br /><br />I like the idea of Backgrounds as a way to ground characters in the campaign world. (My current campaign is Al-Qadim, so no surprise there.) However, I really dislike how it is coupled to bad mechanics now: the idea of defining your fighter as a slayer is nice, but having it mean Jasper Polanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14304076684060757294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-79330182738054547042012-05-28T03:07:31.728-04:002012-05-28T03:07:31.728-04:00been playing 1e off and on for 21 years. Ya death ...been playing 1e off and on for 21 years. Ya death happens like that. My first level fighter has a d10 for hit points. The hobgoblin with a mace has d8 for damage. So even in the best of chances I can be killed off the bat. Add in some of the pre made modules where you can easily be fighting two to one and that chance increases. Plus such things as pits, doing 1d6 damage. When most of the party atAdrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600681495896614575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-89989407709469554782012-05-28T02:34:07.722-04:002012-05-28T02:34:07.722-04:001) Most of the old-school magic-user's resourc...1) Most of the old-school magic-user's resource management consists of alternate ways to end combat. Why would a magic-user want to cast magic missile every round when he can cast sleep in the first round and be done with it? That is the magic-user's role. Fighting is what you have fighters for.<br /><br />How many spells does Gandalf cast in the whole of LotR? Two? If anything, when Jasper Polanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14304076684060757294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-6758536937096877202012-05-27T22:18:00.974-04:002012-05-27T22:18:00.974-04:00Yes and yes. However:
1) A lot will depend on how...Yes and yes. However:<br /><br />1) A lot will depend on how new feats are acquired and what they do. Are they interesting features, or just optimization fuel? For example. a thief's ability to use scrolls with a chance of failure at higher level is interesting to me, a +1 bonus to initiative is not. Many of the class abilities that kick in at higher levels could be recast as themes in a way Necropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-250397146556063832012-05-27T21:13:29.004-04:002012-05-27T21:13:29.004-04:00I love the simplicity of the older styles of dunge...I love the simplicity of the older styles of dungeons and dragons. That simplicity game with a price which was the accepted fact that characters are going to die whole sale and the players I tend to game with really do not like that. The other thing I really did not like was the constant hamstringing of magic users at first to about fifth level. Yes you can through darts, yes they do not much Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600681495896614575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-66056397344265466692012-05-27T20:37:53.893-04:002012-05-27T20:37:53.893-04:00My gaming group has been experimenting with just a...My gaming group has been experimenting with just about every edition and retro-clone there is for about the past 2 years, from the original 3 pamphlets to Pathfinder, we quit 4e about a year after launch. Oddly enough it was a 7 hour session of Barrowmaze using Red Box Moldvay that caused us to actually momentarily hold back on our disdain for WotC and take a look at the playtest rules for "A New Morning Anarchist Collectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844863594381035445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-4520495047851731482012-05-27T15:30:28.587-04:002012-05-27T15:30:28.587-04:00I need to acknowledge that both elves and dwarves ...I need to acknowledge that both elves and dwarves get bonuses with racial weapons in my home game, so I'm a minor hypocrite as it relates to the last item on the drop list.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-89556368709174938962012-05-27T15:25:15.616-04:002012-05-27T15:25:15.616-04:00"if they did that don't""if they did that don't"Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-41924059228831002502012-05-27T15:22:05.994-04:002012-05-27T15:22:05.994-04:00As I see it, and you can tell me if I'm off ba...As I see it, and you can tell me if I'm off base, the backgrounds and themes are effectively gateway bands into 1) Feats restated, 2) skills that encourage rolling for DCs over roleplay. I understand that is a cut-to-the-bottom-line perspective, but I think it is what it is.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-12173382642207049542012-05-27T15:17:38.133-04:002012-05-27T15:17:38.133-04:00I totally hear you. Cheers.I totally hear you. Cheers.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-6275379037142313362012-05-27T15:16:21.087-04:002012-05-27T15:16:21.087-04:00@Brendan, boy you've got a good eye! I missed ...@Brendan, boy you've got a good eye! I missed that kobold reference.<br /><br />I really do think HD for monsters are important. If I roll up a tribe of 1 hp kobolds I would play them different than kobolds with 4 hp, or trolls, or ogres, etc. this is an aspect of the "lip service" to giving DMs tools that really don't add to complexity (I'm ok with the default listing of Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-41238691057872095882012-05-27T14:34:31.938-04:002012-05-27T14:34:31.938-04:00I have a hard time understanding why WOTC can'...I have a hard time understanding why WOTC can't dial back the gamist elements, and have them as modular add-ons.<br /><br />Make monty-hall and power-gaming an option, for those that like 4E, but make gritty, 0E-style gaming, the default system.<br /><br />I mean, Gygax did it in 1E, what with all the optional character creation menthods. Why can't they make the power-gaming "stat Aaron E. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789462075611254929noreply@blogger.com