tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post1477670824573366015..comments2024-03-28T04:41:30.440-04:00Comments on DISCOURSE AND DRAGONS: 5e Playtest MaterialsKiltedyaksmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-82690719124826226792012-05-27T00:16:04.875-04:002012-05-27T00:16:04.875-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13878509009285202499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-31618837702792086952012-05-26T04:51:39.001-04:002012-05-26T04:51:39.001-04:00My playtest report is up: http://redboxvancouver.w...My playtest report is up: http://redboxvancouver.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/i-played-5e-dd-tonight/<br /><br />tl;dr Cautiously enjoying it so far, despite missing some key old school elements.cr0mhttp://redvan.wikidot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-11776620205259520362012-05-26T02:49:04.255-04:002012-05-26T02:49:04.255-04:00LOL @burnedfx!LOL @burnedfx!cr0mhttp://redvan.wikidot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-84855914146543712092012-05-25T20:32:33.751-04:002012-05-25T20:32:33.751-04:00This is nothing, NOTHING, like 4th edition. I play...This is nothing, NOTHING, like 4th edition. I play 4th edition, I've also played OD&D, and this game is a hybrid of 2E and 3E. It's the safest way WOTC could play it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-37623254878449550262012-05-25T11:40:28.709-04:002012-05-25T11:40:28.709-04:00Man, the trojan horse sounds so much better. =[
@...Man, the trojan horse sounds so much better. =[<br /><br />@Brendan <i>To assume otherwise at this point is just paranoia.</i><br /><br />I don't think it's paranoia, as much as it's looking at WotC's track record, it's history of what they have produced, and their version<b>s</b> of D&D.<br /><br />Fool me once and all.burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-77372352640118984442012-05-25T10:46:49.682-04:002012-05-25T10:46:49.682-04:00I saw waht you posted and read the interview befor...I saw waht you posted and read the interview before as well. I understand the need to test these things out, but I still think they could have gone with half the hp totals and been fine. When I ran 4e, I did halve the hp of monsters, which did help, but still felt like too much to me. <br /><br />I believe that they will try to keep the bonuses lower than in 3.x/4e and hopefully get rid of bonus Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322928715288111908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-40465852007444231872012-05-25T10:31:29.409-04:002012-05-25T10:31:29.409-04:00Did you not see what I posted above about Mearls o...Did you not see what I posted above about Mearls on hit points? They plan on bringing them down. They might change their mind, but I doubt it. Even 4E players commonly complain about the huge pools of hit points. I think optimizers like choices (which is potentially an issue with those of us, myself included, that dislike rewarding system mastery).<br /><br />Regarding bonus inflation, I think weNecropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-18262278064257221232012-05-25T10:28:02.463-04:002012-05-25T10:28:02.463-04:00Gygax may have designed for money, but he continue...Gygax may have designed for money, but he continued designing because of a love of the game, as did many others associated with its birth. Sorry, but you really just cannot equate the corporate giant of Hasbro or even the lesser behemoth of Wizards with the man who said every table should have its own rules.JDG Perldeinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07632961831809544262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-64258386663219559192012-05-25T10:20:50.657-04:002012-05-25T10:20:50.657-04:00If those are the bonuses at level 1, think about t...If those are the bonuses at level 1, think about them at level 5 or 10 or even 20. I know they want to flatten the math (so they say), but I don't see how they can flatten it without pissing off the 3.x/4e crowd of optimizers. <br /><br />The keep is a trick to lure the OSR players. I was shocked to see an 88hp ogre, 132hp troll. That is not old school, that is 4e style hit points.<br /><br /Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322928715288111908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-51873857487622877562012-05-25T10:12:01.533-04:002012-05-25T10:12:01.533-04:00after.after.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07322928715288111908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-10336596035895140732012-05-25T09:22:12.610-04:002012-05-25T09:22:12.610-04:00I think WotC must be doing the compromise thing ri...I think WotC must be doing the compromise thing right... OSR think it's too 4e, 4e folk think it's too OSR. No one happy? Successful compromise!<br /><br />And you know, from my quick read through I'd say "this is a pander to pre-4e game"... but that's me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-5755281646816271012012-05-25T07:59:38.659-04:002012-05-25T07:59:38.659-04:00Look at the bonuses on the sheets. Do you think th...Look at the bonuses on the sheets. Do you think those are going to go down? Just wait until they bring out the character build rules and options<br /><br />The odds of that are about the same as taking an economics course where they talk to you about shrinking the economy.<br /><br />@Burnedfx, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing or a trojan horse, one or the other.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-30318763634897671032012-05-25T07:50:36.702-04:002012-05-25T07:50:36.702-04:00@Pierce, you are smoking The Dope lol@Pierce, you are smoking The Dope lolGreg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-87872320507963967632012-05-25T02:02:37.456-04:002012-05-25T02:02:37.456-04:00@Josh, even Gary designed for money. Sure the OSR...@Josh, even Gary designed for money. Sure the OSR let's us stand on the shoulder of giants, but don't get mad at someone for wanting to eat.Cross Planeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258583245202567276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-35843207362565612462012-05-25T02:01:02.087-04:002012-05-25T02:01:02.087-04:00I think we will see modularity as we see more mate...I think we will see modularity as we see more material. I don't see how this game is a min/maxer's dream and in fact, it's easy to just use the 3d6 or 3d6 Straight for Attributes. What I've seen of Themes and Background present an easier way to introduce options to players.<br /><br />But, I've been a playtester since August and have been running 2 5E games since then. I Cross Planeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00258583245202567276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-69954921227708862762012-05-25T00:12:15.296-04:002012-05-25T00:12:15.296-04:00@Ramanan & Eric
I see no hate even in the mos...@Ramanan & Eric<br /><br />I see no hate even in the most vocal of the OSR. There is confusion, interpreting mixed messages, and just discussing odd thoughts coming from the mouths of WotC.<br /><br />When WotC's Witnesses knocked on my door at Encounters for the first time, we were polite and let them speak. When they held "their bible" up in a red box, it looked like the real burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-3562339822490095902012-05-24T23:39:43.613-04:002012-05-24T23:39:43.613-04:00This seems to be literally the case of Wizards rea...This seems to be literally the case of Wizards realizing the only gamers who don't get all their material from bittorrent are Grognards. I don't see why people are getting so upset about this; the material is practically a love letter to the OSR players, right down to the included adventure being Keep on the Borderlands. Yeah, there's going to be changes from 1e/2e, but the way peopleEric Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13229319961111705277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-31573983912199708052012-05-24T23:34:43.587-04:002012-05-24T23:34:43.587-04:00I'm with Pierce. I thought this was actually p...I'm with Pierce. I thought this was actually pretty great. The rules are 31 pages long. The class / race rules fit on the character sheets themselves. They've simplified the mechanics even more. (No more separate saving throw tables / abilities.) It looks like they've given up on 4E's attempt to catalog everything a character can do. This is much better than I thought it was goingRamanan Sivaranjanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069241064657426648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-71687806556473432872012-05-24T23:10:59.843-04:002012-05-24T23:10:59.843-04:00This guy was pretty thorough on the material: http...This guy was pretty thorough on the material: http://rolltocarouse.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-d-next-playtest-material.html<br /><br />Is your material different?burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-3690168240708501422012-05-24T23:04:01.276-04:002012-05-24T23:04:01.276-04:00Maybe we were looking at different playtest materi...Maybe we were looking at different playtest materials, because it looked very oldschool oriented to me. The whole thing looked ALOT more like B/X than 4th Ed. To me, the playtest indicates a huge victory for the oldschool style of play and a virtual admittance by WotC that 4th was the wrong direction to take things.Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17342275462566805167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-16592877748666583882012-05-24T22:26:03.499-04:002012-05-24T22:26:03.499-04:00@Brendan
It's a trick. Get an axe.@Brendan<br /><br />It's a trick. Get an axe.burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-43075760833445077652012-05-24T22:23:08.546-04:002012-05-24T22:23:08.546-04:00I was going to ask you what an "important mon...I was going to ask you what an "important monster" was but that seemed lazy.<br /><br />So I did a google image search: http://zxlcreative.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8345206e269e201310f432e64970c-800wiburnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-52383870893004200662012-05-24T22:18:15.692-04:002012-05-24T22:18:15.692-04:00I think this playtest still potentially deserves o...I think this playtest still potentially deserves our attention. The caves of chaos sample adventure is almost a primer to old school gaming (not too surprising, given that it is an edited Gygax text). Some of the points it highlights:<br /><br />- No single storyline, even language about no railroads<br />- Players don't need to move through encounters in any order<br />- Monsters and Necropraxishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716340801054739658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-44062132217154445832012-05-24T22:14:51.813-04:002012-05-24T22:14:51.813-04:00@Tom Or you could play Castles and Crusades.@Tom Or you could play Castles and Crusades.burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-51417287651121778402012-05-24T22:12:19.505-04:002012-05-24T22:12:19.505-04:00This is a pander to 4e game But, but . . . they ha...<i>This is a pander to 4e game</i> But, but . . . they had 4e players already!<br /><br />I shouldn't be laughing this much. ><burnedfxhttp://thedelvers.com/noreply@blogger.com