tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post4019169207354491183..comments2024-03-28T04:41:30.440-04:00Comments on DISCOURSE AND DRAGONS: I Don't Give A Damn About Red Box 2010Kiltedyaksmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-43276310350886899342010-10-02T22:30:58.107-04:002010-10-02T22:30:58.107-04:00You 4E fanboys are highly entertaining. Do you guy...You 4E fanboys are highly entertaining. Do you guys write your own material?<br /><br />You problably won't believe me, but I'm 6'5, 265 pounds and athletic. Hell yes, I'd like to own The Android's Dungeon. You could swing by for 4E book burnings. Twice on Sundays.<br /><br />As I said, try the veal and wash it down with the kool-aid.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-90643023039215860432010-10-01T22:48:30.399-04:002010-10-01T22:48:30.399-04:00The Comic Book Guy is way more reasonable and poli...The Comic Book Guy is way more reasonable and polite.David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-1010814579320511512010-10-01T18:35:50.967-04:002010-10-01T18:35:50.967-04:00@Antioch...I'll give him the benefit of the do...@Antioch...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he only has the Simpson's "Comic Book Guy" personality, rather than the personality AND the physique.<br /><br />Afterall, we've seen the personality actually demonstrated here.Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-3114855898383582612010-10-01T18:27:27.468-04:002010-10-01T18:27:27.468-04:00@Shazbot: "Do you go to amusement parks and s...@Shazbot: "Do you go to amusement parks and sneer at people riding the tilt-a-whirl instead of the rollercoaster?" No, because he could never fit into a rollercoaster.David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-45947423788248747702010-10-01T18:10:38.263-04:002010-10-01T18:10:38.263-04:00The problem with YOUR logic, is that there isn'...The problem with YOUR logic, is that there isn't any. All you've been able to do thus far is make specious, huckster arguments like "You've just been drinking the kool-aid. Durp"<br /><br />I could just as easily counter your argument by saying that you are just a cainotophobic, cultural hermit who reflexively derides anything that came out past your gaming prime.<br /><br /Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-26151378054010544702010-10-01T18:06:04.216-04:002010-10-01T18:06:04.216-04:00Actually, your statement doesn't make much sen...Actually, your statement doesn't make much sense because you question my questioning of moving away from what Gygax did, yet then move on to state that "[D&D] from its inception, has been parasitic on popular culture." Popular culture changes with the times, so...?<br /><br />Additionally, while you mind find the heritage rich, not everyone did, or still does. Frankly, if you David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-21459443255351745332010-10-01T16:59:45.576-04:002010-10-01T16:59:45.576-04:00@Shazbot,
The problem with your logic, at least f...@Shazbot,<br /><br />The problem with your logic, at least from what you posted, is that you have effectively bought into the need for editions. Sound like you are drinking the kool-aid. You can't possible justify the need for constant editions and the fragmenting of the fanbase? You think that's good for the game? Seriously?<br /><br />BTW I also think you totally misread my point. I didKiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-49885868487993224552010-10-01T15:43:22.272-04:002010-10-01T15:43:22.272-04:00Dungeons & Dragons came from an idea that Dave...Dungeons & Dragons came from an idea that Dave Arneson had about taking individual units from Chainmail, a miniatures wargame from TSR, and taking them on adventures. The collaboration between Arneson and Gygax culminated in the original incarnation of Dungeons & Dragons (1974).<br /><br />In it's initial iteration, D&D was more of a wargame than a roleplaying game as we Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-62457159104357933552010-10-01T08:18:36.267-04:002010-10-01T08:18:36.267-04:00It isn't that long ago lol
The hertiage of D&...It isn't that long ago lol<br /><br />The hertiage of D&D is so rich, why would you want to divorce yourself from it?<br /><br />Do you know where D&D came from? An understanding of the history of the game will help inform your approach to it, regardless of your edition preference.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-16257987137388849322010-09-30T13:34:32.306-04:002010-09-30T13:34:32.306-04:00@Yak: Why don't you qualify your statements? F...@Yak: Why don't you qualify your statements? For example, why is it bad to for the game to divorce itself from what Gygax did so long ago?David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-73920831052554265782010-09-29T02:12:15.315-04:002010-09-29T02:12:15.315-04:00And finally...number 4 on my list of stupid old sc...And finally...number 4 on my list of stupid old school arguments that I hate:<br /><br />"WotC D&D is too videogamey/anime/superheroic/durple"<br /><br />Because apparently any fighter not wearing a buckskin mini-skirt and a horned helmet is obviously ported straight from a Final Fantasy game. <br /><br />Someone here has said that D&D should have remained a classic game that Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-22567793238755669392010-09-29T01:52:25.296-04:002010-09-29T01:52:25.296-04:00which brings me to number 3 on my list of stupid o...which brings me to number 3 on my list of stupid old-school arguments that I hate:<br /><br />"Dwuh? Healing surges? Action points? Daily attacks for fighters??? Bu-bu-but...verisimilitude!"<br /><br />Okay...tell me how much verisimilitude is in this regular old school occurrence:<br /><br />"So your unnamed Halfling thief companion has just been crushed by a falling chandelier. Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-81903793175386859412010-09-29T01:07:00.892-04:002010-09-29T01:07:00.892-04:00Why is it that old-schoolers are prone to filibust...Why is it that old-schoolers are prone to filibustering and hyperbolic arguments?<br /><br />"Ohhhh...4th Edition ruined the game forever...all of my previous gaming experiences have been retroactively sodomized. I now know exactly what it means to be a victim of genetic cleansing in Darfur. By proxy. Because of 4th Edition."<br /><br />That's number 1 on my list of stupid old Shazbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01138604419877913560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-79999557636546608292010-09-22T13:57:43.407-04:002010-09-22T13:57:43.407-04:00@Paladin, @Kiltedyaksman
Just a belated "tha...@Paladin, @Kiltedyaksman<br /><br />Just a belated "thank-you" for bearing the banner and drawing the fire. Hopefully in the fleshiverse your patience and clarity will be better rewarded than they were here.Vincent Diakuwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12176340701893887319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-18102119587525031422010-09-18T16:19:57.520-04:002010-09-18T16:19:57.520-04:00Wickedmurph said...
Paladin ... your rules-lawyer...<b>Wickedmurph said... </b><br /><i>Paladin ... your rules-lawyery, thinly-veiled contempt and constant implications that if someone doesn't have a blog...</i><br /><br />I'm sorry you see it that way, but have no control over your perceptions. Good gaming to you.Aaron E. Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789462075611254929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-76217303204935760462010-09-18T08:30:59.729-04:002010-09-18T08:30:59.729-04:00Quite right re: bringing some academic material on...Quite right re: bringing some academic material on RPGs forward. With a young family and little help I haven't been able to get there. I have a sabbatical coming up next spring so perhaps that will give me some more time to bring some of that material forward.<br /><br />Again, I have a slow burn. It took a year and yet another set of useless products for me to let fly. Mearls article in the Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-44710510872205366932010-09-18T01:37:51.887-04:002010-09-18T01:37:51.887-04:00no kittedyaksman, "we" can't talk to...no kittedyaksman, "we" can't talk to each other because some of "us" are busy telling the rest of "us" that we don't know how to role-play because we use dice to determine our stealth results.<br /><br />Also, "we" can't talk to each other because some of "us" have a paranoid conspiracy theory about a company that sells "us" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-87932629615096336952010-09-17T20:16:30.178-04:002010-09-17T20:16:30.178-04:00I thought your idea with "Discourse and Drago...I thought your idea with "Discourse and Dragons" was to be a bit more academic in your analysis.<br /><br />This post and the "Edition Warz!!1!" banner aren't really doing that... but tomorrow is another day, and maybe you'll return to the old format. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-22693780145463948112010-09-17T20:12:25.279-04:002010-09-17T20:12:25.279-04:00You're right, this isn't going anywhere, w...You're right, this isn't going anywhere, which is rather serendipitous. We, all of us, can't talk to each other because of where WotC has taken the game. We no longer have a common frame of reference for the game, and as I said in my original post, that's just a shame.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-51939097716142178682010-09-17T18:17:09.560-04:002010-09-17T18:17:09.560-04:00Wow, I'd heard that this one got out of contro...Wow, I'd heard that this one got out of control, so I made a liar of myself and came back to see. This is like '08 all over again!<br /><br />I'm glad there was a laugh to be had, and I watch my news by reading it, thanks very much - North American news is for fear-addled crackheads.<br /><br />Yak - your hatred and fear of WotC is both amazing and somewhat saddening. Did a staffer Jeremy Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17072164588443858336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-11031811534182083322010-09-17T15:57:15.662-04:002010-09-17T15:57:15.662-04:00Actually, their tightening of the open game licens...Actually, their tightening of the open game license was not a 4e oriented thing. Check out the dates--they sharply limited the Open Game License shortly after the Book of Erotic Fantas came out, and the rules for making content for the new system is more tightly controlled than that. It's not a financial grab--they just didn't want their IP associated with another company's Mystic Mongolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08994273955233840211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-89029746760081890002010-09-17T14:55:15.194-04:002010-09-17T14:55:15.194-04:00Certainly you can look to past editions and make y...Certainly you can look to past editions and make your argument. The difference is the control in extreme that you see with 4E.<br /><br />(btw this blog does condone hookers for executives) :)Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-2653226432679366352010-09-17T14:14:05.819-04:002010-09-17T14:14:05.819-04:00Yak,
"It isn't to make the game better,...Yak, <br /><br />"It isn't to make the game better, it's just so that they can take possession of their/your fantasy."<br /><br />I think this is why you and I will never agree. You're convinced that their motives are bad, and for that reason what they do is bad. You seem to see them as IP-lawyer-driven control freaks.<br /><br />I accept that they have IP rights they want Jameshttp://infrequentdm.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-2886329899340174612010-09-17T13:51:16.698-04:002010-09-17T13:51:16.698-04:00Yak,
What about beholders then? Are you pro behol...Yak,<br /><br />What about beholders then? Are you pro beholders? That's been IP since they were invented.Jameshttp://infrequentdm.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4737025559858978163.post-256559007501466172010-09-17T13:08:34.572-04:002010-09-17T13:08:34.572-04:00James, I understand what you are trying to say. Th...James, I understand what you are trying to say. The most important thing is that you realize that when you flip to goblins in your 4E MM and you see X-many varieties that there are very specific reasons why. It isn't to make the game better, it's just so that they can take possession of their/your fantasy.<br /><br />Goblins come from folklore and can't be IPed or copyrighted, those Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.com